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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.20 02:28:00 -
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Psychedelic Faynin wrote:clusterfuck = goons + pets Nope Clusterfuck = Goons (GrrrGäó) and people who temporarily have aims in alignment with those of Goonswarm, when that ceases to be the case some of those people will part ways and shoot each other in the face. It happened with their former BFFs TEST, it'll happen again with the CFC.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.20 04:05:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Rhes wrote:Psychedelic Faynin wrote:Seems some don't actually play the game, they play symantecs on the forums. Wow...you almost *get* goons. Now, let's try to understand reddit. It's about posting cat pictures and image macros, right? Reddit 
Some of the subreddits are actually pretty good.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:28:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Unless you are all drunk and target each instead of the retreiver other for some odd reason. Is there any other way to fly?
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:25:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:You mentioned that iso 3000 earlier, please reread it. LMFAO Did you mean ISO 31000:2009 though? (if talking Risk Management) Good read (if you're into collecting Fungus, Spores and Mucus samples or can't sleep at night). Carry on though .. had to say something because of profession and found your comment genuinely funny :O ISO3103:1980 is quite interesting as well, although there's very little risk management in it.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:49:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
What about any of that?
These are all the risks currently faced by suicide gankers in high sec. Suicide ganking is the most risky activity in high sec right now. Masterminds are another word that comes up all the time. You keep hearing about these terrorists masterminds that get killed in the middle east. Terrorists masterminds. Mastermind is sort of a lofty way to describe what these guys do, don't you think? They're not masterminds. "OK, you take bomb, right? And you put in your backpack. And you get on bus and you blow yourself up. Alright?" "Why do I have to blow myself up? Why can't I just:" "Who's the ******* mastermind here? Me or you?" Being a mastermind is all about getting other people to do the dying, that said, real life terrorism is an inappropriate subject for the thread at hand, pixels dying are nowhere near the same as people dying.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:24:00 -
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Rekon X wrote: It's in comment to baltec's statement "These are all risks currently faced by suicide gankers in high sec."
Fact is there are no "risks", it is calculated loses. There is no skill, it is all procedure.
It is carebear pvp. PVP being it involves another player. Not that they can actually attack back.
Why can't they attack back? Most mining vessels are equipped with a drone bay, which is not restricted to mining drones. A flight of combat drones will aggress suicide gankers as soon as they open fire, you'll still die, but you get to shoot at them.
There's also the fact that most suicide gankers are shoot on sight due to their sec status, if you get a suicide ganker that has a low enough sec status, you can shoot at them first, without Concord instagibbing you.
What you actually meant was that most miners choose not to attack suicide gankers, even though they can.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rekon X wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:I heard there are freighters dying in the ice belts and the carnage is ramping up System? Wuos, The Forge. We have also taken out several bonus Tengu and many Orca. Kamio and Osmon to name a couple more
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:39:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: So, being criminally flagged in High Sec for 30 days by multiple entities is not risky.
Got it.
Maybe you need War Dec to understand how risky that proposition indeed is.
Wouldn't affect him, he's too busy hiding behind an NPC corps skirts.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:58:00 -
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Rekon X wrote: It is not a risk. It is a result of your actions. You don't want the flag, don't do the ganking. It is your decision.
The result of a gankers actions and choices increases their risk of explosion at anothers hands, so there is a risk involved. Being an easy target is the result of a miners choices, and the risk of getting ganked while mining can be mitigated by changing those choices.
Quote:Yea, go wardec some more noobs, miners
You are the carebears that scan down targets with alts, calculate their defenses, and then attack, but only if no one else is around that can attack back. Did you somehow miss the part where Krixtal states that he is in fact a miner?
Miners can fight back, and do so successfully.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:16:00 -
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Xavier Perez wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Just confirming that this is a 20 page thread about how insignificant and unworthy of attention Goons are. Seems so, Scatim. Well we best get back to ice miner mining.
Ice is the frozen tears of the ganked, the more they cry, the more ice there is for everyone.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:55:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I'm sitting here talking to someone on voice coms hunting goons with public kill rights. Also there are defender fleets now in Osmon with Blackbirds and other ECM stuff. Not sure on their effectiveness. More grist for the mill.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 18:01:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote: An aquaintence of mine got about 6 Orca fulls yesterday.
Oddly enough so did we. And that does not include the amount that just went away because the loot fairy said no. The loot fairy is a greedy bugger.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:47:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:I accept no responsibility to fix your equation for you just because I pointed out a place where it was wrong and explained why. GǪand then immediately contradicted yourself. But I didn't contradict myself? You evidently just lack the requisite background knowledge (I blame the school system). So, is your contention that the original formula was correct? I don't understand why you won't answer a very simple question. Well, I do, but you should answer it anyway. Your posting history vs Tippia's posting history, Tippia comes out on top because he actually thinks before he posts.
I've seen various posts by yourself, on various topics, where you desperately strive to appear to know what you're talking about, when in fact anybody with even a basic understanding of the subject can see that you actually know very little or nothing at all, case in point your posts in this thread, and the hilarity of reading your crap about data mining.
In short you're a pontificating idiot, have you considered a career in politics?
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Is that where the new ice anoms come from after they are depleted?
Yep, the new spawns are collected from the tears of those who get ganked or failed to get there before the multibox / fleet operations
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:35:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Your posting history vs Tippia's posting history, Tippia comes out on top So far she's been wrong in every objective fight she's committed to; including but not limited to: past forum events, the formal definition of risk, and compound probability of dependent events All of which were explained and appropriately cited. I'm not sure what your definition of "comes out on top" is, but it doesn't seem particularly useful. Is it a popularity thing? I'll happily concede popularity. Quote:I've seen various posts by yourself, on various topics, where you desperately strive to appear to know what you're talking about, when in fact anybody with even a basic understanding of the subject can see that you actually know very little or nothing at all, case in point your posts in this thread, and the hilarity of reading your crap about data mining. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get hostile-forum goers to understand technical topics you know well, but which rely on years of foundational knowledge. If it comes off sounding boastful, I apologize. Also, rofl @ "pretty much requires quantum computing" Firstly Tippia is male. Secondly we've yet to see evidence that you're familiar with the technical subjects that you post about, most of what you've posted in the past can be pulled from wikipedia or google with little or no effort. If you could give people an idea of your background, instead of insisting that they're wrong because you say so, you may find more people will take what you say seriously. As it is you come across as an arrogant know it all who can't or won't back up anything you say.
I have a specialist technical background myself, and I can talk to people about it without sounding being boastful or insulting. They might not actually understand what I'm talking about in detail, but I can get the basics across. It's this thing called social skills, you need to work on them.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:this thing called social skills Not on my EVE Online General Discussion. Only trolling skillZ. Shh Goonie (GrrGäó) Trolling is social skills in your alliance 
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:33:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It's this thing called social skills, you need to work on them. I'm all ears if you have some pointers; it's not something I'm good at. However, I might point out that while getting people to smile and nod is a very useful skill, it doesn't seem appropriate here. Step one, try not to bamboozle people, throw out all the big fancy words and replace them with plain simple ones. A explanation that people can understand without having to refer to a dictionary will go a long way.
For example, my specialty is automotive telematics and control systems, most people will blink at telematics and turn off at control systems, especially when I start spouting acronyms and terms like CANBUS, MOST, LIN and FlexRay.
If however I said I work with the computers that control modern cars and GPS navigation /Tracking systems, people know what I'm talking about.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:40:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:When did they start measuring IQ in degrees Celcius? When Spectatoress started posting, although given the content of that post, I'd say room temperature is sitting at about absolute zero (measured in degrees C)
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:54:00 -
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Spectatoress wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:When did they start measuring IQ in degrees Celcius? When Spectatoress started posting, although given the content of its post, I'd say room temperature is sitting at about absolute zero (measured in -¦C) Funny post of Mr. "automotive telematics and control systems" aka "Look at me mummy blabla". Wouldnt be surprised if alt of Tippia. Please continue. But beware of your signature.  When you understand my signature please get back to me, until then kindly crawl back under your bridge, I believe there's some goats on their way.
Benny Ohu wrote:i think that's a compliment, jonah I'll take it as such, even if it is coming from an obvious shiptoasting alt.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.23 13:59:00 -
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@ Tippia, not knowing what you do for a living I'm impressed, it's generally only petrolheads, mechanics and auto electricians who know what the acronyms mean, it means money when it goes wrong . I assume FlexRay is the one you don't know, it's not used anymore as far as I know.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.24 21:24:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Quote:
Well if its risk free then you guys aren't doing your job well enough. Maybe you should be using battlecruisers to gank miners to make a point.
Please point out where I said mining has no risk. It wasn't you in particular but someone on your side did say mining had less risk than ganking. Do you agree or no? I mean its possibly my mistake for assuming that everyone that it taking the one side has different opinion on it. I mean I did ask a few gankers in various chats and most of them said they felt they risked less than the miners in the ganking or otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. The only reason that there is risk in mining is because of the gankers, and that risk can be mitigated with properly fitted ships, or using insured, throwaway, T1 ships that are cheap enough to pay for themselves in 2 or 3 hours. It can be mitigated further still by actually using tools like standings, local and overview tabs to enhance your awareness of what's happening around you.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:44:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: It can be mitigated, but if 15 catalysts (or equivalent ships) decide to gank a mining ship, there is little doubt in the outcome.
You can watch local and standings, but if I took my freshly made alt who has a standings of 0 and is in an NPC corp and decided to use a battlecruiser to gank a tanked mack, there is little they can do about it.
You're assuming of course that they'll pick a tanked ship when there are multiple untanked ones in the same system, a lot of them use a scout to pinpoint the untanked and provide a warpin.
Unless you've really pissed someone off, or have bling fitted your ship, they'll go for the easier targets, 15 catalysts are usually far better employed ganking multiple untanked targets than a single tanked one.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:28:00 -
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Any ship that can be normally used in highsec, excluding grandfather ships such as the Veldnaught, by a player is gankable, tanked or not, it's just a matter of doing the math. It's as true for a Battleship as it is for a Mackinaw. Your "any mining barge can be ganked" argument is moot.
By mitigation, I mean make yourself a tougher nut to crack than the other guy. The guy who ganked a Skiff to see if he could do it is an outlier.
If you're a group of, say 7, gankers and there's 5 ships in a belt; a tanked Procurer, a tanked Mackinaw, 2 untanked Mackinaws and a Retriever, a scout will have generally already ship scanned them, the Retriever and untanked Mackinaws are going to be the first to die, because you can kill all three with ease before Concord intervene, the two tanked ships will definitely require more gankers to kill in the allotted time period and thus undesirable targets.
What you call a freshly made alt I would consider a specialist alt, hence the misunderstanding.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.25 00:02:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Any ship that can be normally used in highsec, excluding grandfathered ships, by a player is gankable. Does this mean we can now call Chribba "Grampy" ?  You failed to complete the trinity of the holy chant, for penance you must offer up the following prayer
Chribba's Prayer wrote: Our Chribba, who art in the belt. Hallowed be thy Veldnaught. Thy ore be mined. Hidden belts we find. In 0.0 as it is in Empire. Give us this day our daily Veldspar. And forgive us our ore theft, As we forgive those who thieve against us. And lead us not into gate camps, But deliver us from pirates. For thine is the ore, and the ice, and the moons, for ever and ever. Amen.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |

Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.08.26 17:09:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:I think the prices reflect how much of a fail this ice interdiction has been. 90% of the miners I know are still harvesting ice at the same rate and have barely ever even seen you guys in system. Step up your game goons, everyone is laughing right now  . Why gank the miners, when you can gank a freighter or Orca carrying the fruits of their labours instead? It's much more efficient.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
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